Are we circling the drain?

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Is the end near?

No rock and roll will never die
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I traded my pedals of modular synthesizers.. which now collects dust
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It’s as good a hobby as collecting model trains so I’m good
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I swear all I need is one more glitch effect and I will revolutionize music
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Maybe like Bo Burnham, Johnny Demarco bailed on social media 4 all the right reasons. Other big if: he lost all his rocker hair :cry: and for somme ppl, that like a whole neu personality alteration :cool:

Still vvaiting 4 the Behr Attack! VVulf or Party Davvg clones 2 j'arrive, but the only thing probably stopping them is acquiring both since those Akai boxes have skyrocketed. Not great machines, but they do OK within their limitations (also highly deepends on yr defffo of ohkay)?!? Usurped by the cheap peddle brigade (manny members proud) moistly, maybe V3'll be the Behwrinker Basenji: U chood sea the othar dogg!

That COD bewk lweks p gut, Seayonce :animal: :thumb: :dance:
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all that would be required to adapt is a beanie, as modeled by everyone from Billy Gibbons to The Edge.
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Measures of time in waterclocks are deMarcoed by the speed at which apertures drain.

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Seance wrote: Sun Jan 12, 2025 12:55 pm Measures of time in waterclocks are deMarcoed by the speed at which apertures drain.
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Let's pronounce "science" like "Beyonce"
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Sciencé = sigh / yawn / say

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coupleonapkins wrote: Sun Jan 12, 2025 10:12 am That COD bewk lweks p gut, Seayonce :animal: :thumb: :dance:
The Cod Book is great. One of my favorite mono-topic deep-dives. But not my all-time favorite.

Some of my other favorites of this technique include The Chicken Book, which evolved out of a class in the 1970s at UC Santa Cruz.
This is a fantastic book.
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Ulisse Aldrovandi was a polymath and had a fantastic "cabinet of curiosities."
Aldrovandi on Chickens was translated into English and is worth a read.
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But my all-time favorite is a fantastic treasure-trove of a mono-subject book that was written by Leo Kanner.
Leo Kanner is known mostly for a paper he wrote in 1943 about "early infantile autism" in 1943. But well before
that (back in 1928) Leo Kanner published Folklore of the Teeth. It is fantastic.
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dubkitty wrote: Mon Dec 30, 2024 4:45 pm i'm sorry if i sounded unsympathetic, which was not my intent. i guess it's just that for me this is what i do. i'd rather play guitar and make sounds than go out, watch TV or movies, or do most anything else. it's the only thing that stops me from thinking. so it has inherent value to me regardless if anyone else ever hears it beyond my small reach on Soundcloud. it'd be interesting to play in front of people, but ambient looping is inherently limited in terms of anyone much caring.
No no, I don't think you sounded unsympathetic. The value of it stopping the monkey brain is a big one, and I'd do better to keep that in mind. It's worth doing just to transcend myself for a little while.
Velcro Bottom wrote: Sun Jan 05, 2025 1:56 am This right here is the complete antithesis of "waste," amigo.
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dub wrote: Fri Jan 10, 2025 6:34 pm What did Homme once say... if you expect anything from music you expect too much?
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back in the 70s George Harrison should that you should expect nothing, so that everything that happens is "a big bonus." that's a little too mush-minded sub-Hindu philosophy for my tastes, but it's true to a point. it took me many, many disappointments and failures to teach me not to get my hopes up. still, they rise.
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Seance wrote: Mon Jan 13, 2025 7:07 pm Sciencé = sigh / yawn / say

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You say "sigh", I say "see". But maybe you are British :idk:

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manymanyhaha wrote: Thu Jan 23, 2025 4:32 pm
Seance wrote: Mon Jan 13, 2025 7:07 pm Sciencé = sigh / yawn / say

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You say "sigh", I say "see". But maybe you are British :idk:

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I am more brooding and bratish than brutish or British.

But I wouldn't be surprised if Thomas Dolby wasn't actually blinded by silence and not science as he so cheekily claimed.
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friendship wrote: Mon Dec 30, 2024 12:11 pm
Gone Fission wrote: Sat Dec 28, 2024 9:52 pm More than charts and sales volume as compared to MOTR pop music, I’m concerned about the compensation structure for anyone making music. Spotify being the worst doesn’t mean other streaming is great at getting musicians paid into a middle class standard of living without what used to be rock-star level sales.
I have a lot of Feelings about this. I think what's most painful for me is that my dreams were really modest: I didn't want to be a big star, I just wanted to spend my life doing what I loved and and survive in a (lower) middle class lifestyle. I tried every avenue/role I could think of, but the barriers of entry for all of them were massive, and the only peers I knew who made it work had a lot of financial support and connections from their family. It didn't help that I wasn't very social media savvy and didn't know how to self-promote (though I tried to learn). I came to terms with it, because I loved the act of music making itself, so as long as I could do some of it in my free time, that was okay with me. Work and the stresses of life left me with very little time and energy to do it, but better than nothing, I figured.

But watching online music platforms use people's work to create massive plagiarism machines was the last straw for me. Sure, I didn't expect to make even a tiny bit of money off it anymore, but knowing that whatever I share online will be exploited by a tech company to make themselves rich while making me obsolete has dashed the last bit of faith I had that recording is a worthwhile pursuit. Why work so hard on it when it's just another ladle of slop for the content trough?

I suppose I could forget being a recording artist and just stick to live playing, where music is still vital and real. But I just turned 40. I'm tired, and I'm out of touch. I simply do not have the time and energy to hone a good live act, no matter how badly I miss it. I was visiting an old band mate last year, and he mentioned an open mic he goes to every week. He was like "we should go, you could play a couple songs." It suddenly hit me that I didn't have any new songs to play, and it had been so long since I had played the old ones that I wouldn't remember how. It broke my heart. I so badly wished in that moment that I had fresh material to play for some people and maybe make a meaningful connection to the people listening to it.

I'm in a weird, liminal space where I haven't seriously pursued the craft of music for so long that I don't feel like a real musician, but I also don't know who I am if I'm not. I felt so alive when I was working on songs, playing in bands, making records. It made me feel like my life was going somewhere, like it had meaning. I don't know what role music can even have in my life anymore. I was making some ambient music in 2023, but after seeing all the hours of AI-generated ambient music people can listen to on Youtube, even that feels pointless. All I do now is play guitar for myself on the couch. All those skills I learned, all that knowledge and experience I accumulated over the years... it feels like a big waste. I have good memories, at least, which I treasure. Maybe it's just the end of a long chapter of my life, and I need to find something else to do with myself now that it's over.

Anyway sorry about this self-pitying, whiny, negative rant, I didn't know where else to dump these feelings and maybe someone else is feeling like I'm feeling.
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The death has been long in coming - it started with smoking bans and DUI checkpoints chasing audiences away, then gentrification. The coffin was nailed shut with Napster et al and the money was gone for anybody not legacy.

It has not adjusted in 20 years by and large to that reality - you can't get a 'big band' without farm league local circuit gigs that branch out - which are now more and more being filled by tribute bands.

The only reasonable way forward is going back to indie roots - and accepting that the culture has changed. Records were the first "non book entertainment on demand" in the palm of people's hands - with the advent of the VCR, then the internet....alternatives abound.

The monolith is dead, no matter what comes next.
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If we're taking the pulse:
I live in a weird bubble but most nights of the week I can go out to see indie folk in a bookstore, hardcore in a basement, or white guy blues in a combination coffee shop/bar/guitar shop. The 180 seat venue in town has shows most nights with americana acts I haven't heard of. The 800 seat theater mostly doesn't have live music.
This town has a population around 30,000 and a bunch of colleges in the area. People come here for culture. There's a bigger city down the road with a casino. We don't have a movie theater but neighboring cities do.
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