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Posted: **Fri May 08, 2015 9:12 pm**

conky wrote:Ok dudes, So the other night I saw Sleep in Atlanta and I did enjoy their set (or what I saw, we left right when they kicked into Dragonaut). I enjoyed their set and even bought the Clarity single but when I listen t home I just can't get into it. What is their best stuff that I should start with? I've been at home sick all day and tried watching a bunch of their shows on youtube and I couldn't get 10 minutes into it before I had to find something else to listen to. Help me out so's I can keep my doom cred.

Get Sleep's Holy Mountain. It's the one that has Dragonaut on it. You're basically trying to get into Isis by starting with the Melvins split, as it were.

Posted: **Fri May 08, 2015 9:18 pm**

t-rey wrote: Dopespoker

Is this that Doom biker gang?

Posted: **Fri May 08, 2015 9:20 pm**

D.o.S. wrote:
Get Sleep's Holy Mountain. It's the one that has Dragonaut on it. You're basically trying to get into Isis by starting with the Melvins split, as it were.

Agreed.
Caveat: The production makes it difficult to get into at first.
Once you get used to it though, it's pretty killer.
I found it took some time for my ears to adjust to the mix and eq when I first heard it all those years ago.

Posted: **Fri May 08, 2015 9:39 pm**

Tony!!!!! Fuckin' a , dude. Won the boneshaker giveaway on IG. Congrats. I expect a full report.

Also, the problem with the formula logic is that formulas are for fucking posers. It's in your heart and it's in your ears, otherwise you should just go be a music journalist or some other douchey shit.

Not saying anything about anyone here or anything. Just making sure we don't lose sight of what's real.

Posted: **Fri May 08, 2015 9:43 pm**

D.o.S. wrote:
conky wrote:Ok dudes, So the other night I saw Sleep in Atlanta and I did enjoy their set (or what I saw, we left right when they kicked into Dragonaut). I enjoyed their set and even bought the Clarity single but when I listen t home I just can't get into it. What is their best stuff that I should start with? I've been at home sick all day and tried watching a bunch of their shows on youtube and I couldn't get 10 minutes into it before I had to find something else to listen to. Help me out so's I can keep my doom cred.

Get Sleep's Holy Mountain. It's the one that has Dragonaut on it. You're basically trying to get into Isis by starting with the Melvins split, as it were.

I listened to it today along with parts of Dopesmoker and I don't llike either one. The one that really sucked was Volume One. God that shit is awful. :cry:

I wanna like them. Everything about them seems cool, but I can't explain what it is that makes me not feel anything from their music other than the urge to put someone else's album on instead.

Edit: I really don't like Dragonaut and that might be part of why I don't like that album. I'm weird in that If the first song on an album sucks then I usually won't listen to it. I mean, I could skip it, but who wants to do that? You know how much energy it takes to hit the button? Not a lot, but I'm lazy so there's that.

Just installed two more 55hz reapers to replace the busted ET65 in my 6x12. Holy shit. Sounds way better with all the same speakers. Just playing at low volumes to break them in already makes my Soldano sound a lot better and more tame in the top end. The ET65 that was making funny noise ended up being that part of the dust cap had separated from the cone. Is there anything I can put on it to fix it? I heard nail polish works but I've never tried it. If I can get it to work I'll probably end up with an empty 2x12 from Atlas or something to have a small home recording cab.

Posted: **Fri May 08, 2015 9:49 pm**

I'm just saying I've seen plenty of fake ass fools with several g's worth of amps and cabs that I've walked out on to go get a drink across the street or something. I'd definitely rather see a real motherfucker with a squire strat and a valve state half stack 8 days a week than watch all these posers trying to play "doom" these days and thinking they can buy their way in with a bunch of oranges or whatever.

Posted: **Fri May 08, 2015 9:55 pm**

misterstomach wrote:Tony!!!!! Fuckin' a , dude. Won the boneshaker giveaway on IG. Congrats. I expect a full report.

Also, the problem with the formula logic is that formulas are for fucking posers. It's in your heart and it's in your ears, otherwise you should just go be a music journalist or some other douchey shit.

Not saying anything about anyone here or anything. Just making sure we don't lose sight of what's real.

Shit yeah! Stoked to try that pedal out !!

Posted: **Fri May 08, 2015 10:28 pm**

misterstomach wrote:I'm just saying I've seen plenty of fake ass fools with several g's worth of amps and cabs that I've walked out on to go get a drink across the street or something. I'd definitely rather see a real motherfucker with a squire strat and a valve state half stack 8 days a week than watch all these posers trying to play "doom" these days and thinking they can buy their way in with a bunch of oranges or whatever.

Posted: **Fri May 08, 2015 10:28 pm**

misterstomach wrote:Tony!!!!! Fuckin' a , dude. Won the boneshaker giveaway on IG. Congrats. I expect a full report.

Also, the problem with the formula logic is that formulas are for fucking posers. It's in your heart and it's in your ears, otherwise you should just go be a music journalist or some other douchey shit.

Not saying anything about anyone here or anything. Just making sure we don't lose sight of what's real.

Yeah, definitely wanna know about the boneshaker.
Congrats dude!

BUT EVERYTHING MUST BE QUANTIFIED.
OTHERWISE WE HAVE NO DATA TO PRESENT AS REAL SCIENCE.
FEELS IS NOT REAL SCIENCE.
NUMBERS IS REAL SCIENCE.
SCIENCE WILL HELP US EXPLORE SPACE AND LEAVE THIS PLANET WITH ITS PRIMITIVE SIMEAN CONDITIONS OF LIVING.
EVOLVE.
NUMBERS.
SCIENCE.

Conky, not even the Druid or Aquraian? :cry:

Posted: **Fri May 08, 2015 10:43 pm**

conky wrote:
D.o.S. wrote:
conky wrote:Ok dudes, So the other night I saw Sleep in Atlanta and I did enjoy their set (or what I saw, we left right when they kicked into Dragonaut). I enjoyed their set and even bought the Clarity single but when I listen t home I just can't get into it. What is their best stuff that I should start with? I've been at home sick all day and tried watching a bunch of their shows on youtube and I couldn't get 10 minutes into it before I had to find something else to listen to. Help me out so's I can keep my doom cred.

Get Sleep's Holy Mountain. It's the one that has Dragonaut on it. You're basically trying to get into Isis by starting with the Melvins split, as it were.

I listened to it today along with parts of Dopesmoker and I don't llike either one. The one that really sucked was Volume One. God that shit is awful. I wanna like them. Everything about them seems cool, but I can't explain what it is that makes me not feel anything from their music other than the urge to put someone else's album on instead.

You fucking weirdo. Volume 1. is also amaze-balls. Skip the Aesbestosdeth stuff if you don't like that. No one's saying you have to like Sleep, although they're one of my desert island bands for sure.

dazedbyday wrote:
misterstomach wrote:I'm just saying I've seen plenty of fake ass fools with several g's worth of amps and cabs that I've walked out on to go get a drink across the street or something. I'd definitely rather see a real motherfucker with a squire strat and a valve state half stack 8 days a week than watch all these posers trying to play "doom" these days and thinking they can buy their way in with a bunch of oranges or whatever.

Posted: **Fri May 08, 2015 10:48 pm**

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xniFi5zCDZA[/youtube]

Posted: **Fri May 08, 2015 11:20 pm**

Conky it's okay not to like a band that a bunch of others enjoy like it's supposed to be a given you enjoy them. Sleep bore me. I have Holy Mountain from them. didn't care about getting anything else. tried some other stuff out on youtube. Just isn't a go to band for me. I want something harsher and meaner. like Buried At Sea or Burning Witch... Khanate...

Posted: **Fri May 08, 2015 11:36 pm**

Iommic Pope wrote:
HeavyXIII wrote:What about figuring for rigs with multiple heads? What if they not set at the same volume? Do we need to create a mean value for amp volume based on all the heads? Are we allowed to add the amp wattages together, or do we have to adjust for the amount of speakers they're driving as well?

Time to run full statistical analyses.
Break out yo MANOVA!

What about hybrid rigs utilising bass and guitar gear, or SS and Tube (tube watts have a different exchange rate to SS watts. And Russian wattsare different again)?

I'd also like to point out that skully runs a micro setup and that guy is doom as fvck.

I feel like this is the wrong direction to take this theory in.
I think what we may actually need to be looking at is a way of quantifying the effect a riff has on an individual.

Wherein doom factor is calculated as a percentage of the compound effect tritones have on riffing, in conjunction with elements of harsh noise, low tunings and perceived misesry of listener.

So, maybe: %Doom = (TTxR)+(H+L)/Misery

So now we are starting to talk totality of the listening experience. I think the initial formula is still valid and should be expounded upon. So now we have f(z) z+(X/10) x Y. %Doom= ((TTxR)+(H+L)/M)z

D.o.S. wrote:
conky wrote:Ok dudes, So the other night I saw Sleep in Atlanta and I did enjoy their set (or what I saw, we left right when they kicked into Dragonaut). I enjoyed their set and even bought the Clarity single but when I listen t home I just can't get into it. What is their best stuff that I should start with? I've been at home sick all day and tried watching a bunch of their shows on youtube and I couldn't get 10 minutes into it before I had to find something else to listen to. Help me out so's I can keep my doom cred.

Get Sleep's Holy Mountain. It's the one that has Dragonaut on it. You're basically trying to get into Isis by starting with the Melvins split, as it were.

Holy Mountain is THE Sleep song if ya ask me.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ka9Bd2G7Syk[/youtube]

misterstomach wrote:Tony!!!!! Fuckin' a , dude. Won the boneshaker giveaway on IG. Congrats. I expect a full report.

Also, the problem with the formula logic is that formulas are for fucking posers. It's in your heart and it's in your ears, otherwise you should just go be a music journalist or some other douchey shit.

Not saying anything about anyone here or anything. Just making sure we don't lose sight of what's real.

So f (d) where d=douche factor as an percentage of 1 with zero indicating the greatest dearth of redeeming qualities. heart + ears ≈ talent(t)expressed as a percentage of 1 with a value of zero indicating a total dearth of talent %Doom= ((TTxR)+(H+L)/M)zdt

Note that now it is possible to fulfill all other doom criteria but if a zero value is entered for douche factor or talent factor there will be zero doom.

Iommic Pope wrote:
misterstomach wrote:Tony!!!!! Fuckin' a , dude. Won the boneshaker giveaway on IG. Congrats. I expect a full report.

Also, the problem with the formula logic is that formulas are for fucking posers. It's in your heart and it's in your ears, otherwise you should just go be a music journalist or some other douchey shit.

Not saying anything about anyone here or anything. Just making sure we don't lose sight of what's real.

Yeah, definitely wanna know about the boneshaker.
Congrats dude!

BUT EVERYTHING MUST BE QUANTIFIED.
OTHERWISE WE HAVE NO DATA TO PRESENT AS REAL SCIENCE.
FEELS IS NOT REAL SCIENCE.
NUMBERS IS REAL SCIENCE.
SCIENCE WILL HELP US EXPLORE SPACE AND LEAVE THIS PLANET WITH ITS PRIMITIVE SIMEAN CONDITIONS OF LIVING.
EVOLVE.
NUMBERS.
SCIENCE.

Conky, not even the Druid or Aquraian?

rad for TONY!!!!!!!
the interesting thing here is that the formula will be useless for talentless douchebags.

Ancient Astronaught wrote:Okay so I think I have finally figured out the formula to determine whether or not your amp is doom acceptable.

*Disclaimer* This formula is designed for tube amps.

Legend:
X= Amp wattage
Y= Amp Volume
Z= Amp acceptability

Formula:
(X/10) x Y = Z

Samples:
100w on 8
(100/10) x 10 = 80%

30w on 4
(30/10) x 4 = 12%

50w on 6
(50/10) x 6 = 30%

200w on 10
(200/10) x 10 = 200%

It seems to work out, don't ya think?

As previously brought up, this does not account for the radness of multi amp rigs, I believe I have a solution.

If (X/10) x Y = Z a dual amp rig should be equal to Z/2+Z Triphonic 2(Z/3)+Z Quad 3(Z/4)+Z and so on. We'll call this awesome and express as A

Wherein doom factor is calculated as a percentage of the compound effect tritones have on riffing, in conjunction with elements of harsh noise, low tunings and perceived misery of listener.
f(d) where d=douche factor as an percentage of 1 with zero indicating the greatest possible dearth of redeeming qualities. heart + ears ≈ talent(t)expressed as a percentage of 1 with a value of zero indicating a total dearth of talent

%Doom= ((TTxR+A)+(H+L)/M)zdt ∪ Matt Pike

Posted: **Fri May 08, 2015 11:46 pm**

D.o.S. wrote:
You fucking weirdo. Volume 1. is also amaze-balls. Skip the Aesbestosdeth stuff if you don't like that. No one's saying you have to like Sleep, although they're one of my desert island bands for sure.

I like Asbestosdeth way more than I do Sleep. I've had the 7" for years and listen to it all the time. I know I don't have to like Sleep. I was being facetious when I said that crap about keeping my doom cred. I'm just trying to keep an open mind while going back to listen to some things that I have brushed off before to see if I may like it this time around but I'm still not feeling them though.

dazedbyday wrote:[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xniFi5zCDZA[/youtube]

Listening now. I like this ok so far. I'm pretty sure they played Antarcticans Thawed at the show. Sounds familiar. Oh wait... Al started singing.... Nope, not feeling this either. I'd like them a shit ton more if they were an instrumental band.

ShaolinLambKiller wrote:Conky it's okay not to like a band that a bunch of others enjoy like it's supposed to be a given you enjoy them. Sleep bore me. I have Holy Mountain from them. didn't care about getting anything else. tried some other stuff out on youtube. Just isn't a go to band for me. I want something harsher and meaner. like Buried At Sea or Burning Witch... Khanate...

I can get down with these three anytime of the day.

Posted: **Sat May 09, 2015 12:10 am**

conky wrote:
D.o.S. wrote:
You fucking weirdo. Volume 1. is also amaze-balls. Skip the Aesbestosdeth stuff if you don't like that. No one's saying you have to like Sleep, although they're one of my desert island bands for sure.

I like Asbestosdeth way more than I do Sleep. I've had the 7" for years and listen to it all the time. I know I don't have to like Sleep. I was being facetious when I said that crap about keeping my doom cred. I'm just trying to keep an open mind while going back to listen to some things that I have brushed off before to see if I may like it this time around but I'm still not feeling them though.

I'm going to ignore the rest of the sacrilege and point out that almost every one of the Asbes songs show up on Vol 1.

Buried at Sea are awesome. Khanate is a total mood thing for me.

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