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Not yet -- fucking love that band, though.

Iommic Pope wrote:Set it.
Forget it.

Long live one knob devices.

You said knob.... heh heh

D.o.S. wrote:I know they're not really a band for the cool kids anymore, but Jesu's first two records are all POD and that guitar tone is fucking crushing.

To be fair though, recording is a whole different beast. You can often get killed recorded tones with gear that sounds like shit in real life. Entombed, for example, recorded shit on left hand path with some garbage crate combos, even though their "actual" guitar sound was hm2's into cranked jcm 800's. I actually own one of those crate amps they used. It's an okay practice amp, but it does not sound actually good. But I've recorded some good sounding shit with it. That being said, I'm sure you could get some great sounds for recording with an axe-fx, and im sure they could be okay live. But for me, I want my face torn off by an awesome fuzz slamming a 12ax7 in a killer amp. The modelers just don't do it live.

here's my problem with modelers. Some guy determines what he thinks any given amp should sound like and reproduces his perception of how that amp sounds. What if I don't want that sound out of that amp. What if I'm some weirdo with to many speakers and home made guitars that wants to do his own thing and not have sound limited by some cookie cutter ass bland one size fits all "Mesa" model that sounds like djent threw up all over thrash.
Yeah, I know you can tweak them and all that, dial in tones you want more specifically, i just think they sound weak in general, and it seems easier to just use the real thing, especially considering the money the decent ones go for.

here's my problem with modelers. Some guy determines what he thinks any given amp should sound like and reproduces his perception of how that amp sounds. What if I don't want that sound out of that amp. What if I'm some weirdo with to many speakers and home made guitars that wants to do his own thing and not have sound limited by some cookie cutter ass bland one size fits all "Mesa" model that sounds like djent threw up all over thrash.
Yeah, I know you can tweak them and all that, dial in tones you want more specifically, i just think they sound weak in general, and it seems easier to just use the real thing, especially considering the money the decent ones go for.

You guys bring up other concerns I had about it too. I'm afraid it won't have the same feeling as a real amp live. Like it will lack the balls despite having a good tone.

As for what you are saying ax, it is an issue that is certainly a problem but I think is much better addressed with the axe fx. It seems to be much more tweak able when you delve deep into the options. So much so that you can change power tubes and how the rectifier reacts and such. I just wish I could get my hands on one to try out and see if it will get some good tones for how I play. Almost all of the demos are for djent or dream theater shit. There are some metal demos but nothing along the lines of doom or "big" sounds.

I would like to point out that this:

Some guy determines what he thinks any given amp should sound like and reproduces his perception of how that amp sounds. What if I don't want that sound out of that amp.

Is exactly how I feel about the modern day Oranges

I like modelers for those times when you think of a sweet riff or progression, and just want to throw that shit down on something to remember for later. That's pretty much all I use my eleven rack for. You could do that with a cheap recorder and mic too though. I tried putting it through a tube power amp, but it just isn't quite right, especially for doom. It can do decent metal stuff, but definitely not the fuzzed out swampy doom sound. The axe fx might be better. I guess they are good tools for practicing and maybe recording, but yeah, I am with just about everyone here that when I'm seeing someone live, I want dat analog sound. Unless it's Meshuggah, then I will just let the masters do their thing.

misterstomach wrote:

D.o.S. wrote:I know they're not really a band for the cool kids anymore, but Jesu's first two records are all POD and that guitar tone is fucking crushing.

To be fair though, recording is a whole different beast. You can often get killed recorded tones with gear that sounds like shit in real life. Entombed, for example, recorded shit on left hand path with some garbage crate combos, even though their "actual" guitar sound was hm2's into cranked jcm 800's. I actually own one of those crate amps they used. It's an okay practice amp, but it does not sound actually good. But I've recorded some good sounding shit with it. That being said, I'm sure you could get some great sounds for recording with an axe-fx, and im sure they could be okay live. But for me, I want my face torn off by an awesome fuzz slamming a 12ax7 in a killer amp. The modelers just don't do it live.

Yeah I have no idea -- and I'm definitely in the camp of "I know that a real amp will do this, and I have no idea if a modeller will." Especially for guitar based music, I think modelling is scary and I don't like it.

On the other hand, since most of the music I'm focused on now is manipulating sounds digitally, I'm a little less inherently afraid of it than I was a year or whatever ago: definitely less dogmatic than when it was 2007 and anything less than a 100 watt tube amp at 11 was 110% unacceptable to my tastes.

What sorta brought me around towards the axe fx was going through their forum and wiki. It seems like the guy has done a lot of work to make the axe react like a real amp compared the say the kemper which is an impulse response of an amp. On the kempler the knobs like treble or bass affect the tone but do not function like the knobs on a real amp. On the axe he has tried to program it so each amp functions like the real one. Now playing dynamics, that is a different story…..

I would be weary of that, though -- seems like a bit of marketing talk to me.

VOODOO!
i'm not against it, just as a main rig and no amp.....? I do use a boss gt10 and cosm isn't regarded as the greatest modeling platform ever, but it's really usefull for those crazy effected sounds. My main sound is dirt boxes to the amps though. all the modeling stuff it has I just treat it like another bit in the chain. it sounds like shit without the big heads though. tried headphones a while back and yuck city.

Everything has it's place in the studio, some things just don't belong on a stage. If matt Pike really does record through a pignose for those holy mountain tones, fuckin great. But we'd all be really sad if he came out on stage with a mic'd pignose in an iso cab.

D.o.S. wrote: anything less than a 100 watt tube amp at 11 was 110% unacceptable to my tastes.

Just saying... this is the only way to think at all times.

HeavyXIII wrote:

ShaolinLambKiller wrote:Do you live in nola? or near???

Fucking Baton Rouge. Land of the free, home of the shitty cover bands.

I never knew. Should rub some dix one day. I'm over in Gulfport.

ShaolinLambKiller wrote:

D.o.S. wrote: anything less than a 100 watt tube amp at 11 was 110% unacceptable to my tastes.

Just saying... this is the only way to think at all times.

Probably true.