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Re: The Doom Room: ILF Edition
Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2014 2:32 pm
by Ancient Astronaught
new05002 wrote:yea Soldano style pcb DA120s would make me a happy man.
As well as a rack ton of future customers.

Re: The Doom Room: ILF Edition
Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2014 2:36 pm
by skullservant
Still need to crank the Spaldo. Ugh
Re: The Doom Room: ILF Edition
Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2014 2:37 pm
by new05002
Part of me says that is not a bad idea but unless I went full pcb it would still be a lot of work. I would only make the power supply and main board easier.
but full PCB....

Re: The Doom Room: ILF Edition
Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2014 3:24 pm
by AngryGoldfish
skullservant wrote:Here's the Verellen twins guts:
45w Shawnee:

Spaldo:


jk
new05002 wrote:yea Soldano style pcb DA120s would make me a happy man.
Ancient Astronaught wrote:new05002 wrote:Maybe I should make PCB DA120s to satisfy all your needs
As much as this idea is kinda anti-Dunwich-mentality if you ever wanted to turn it into a serious business this would probably be your bread and butter. If Orange can sell their rip offs for $2500 and you could build better ones and sell them for $1500 you could put a major hurt on them. I would also be the first in-line to become an employee
AngryGoldfish wrote:Matamp taught me this years when I visited the factory. The lead designer was showing me the workshop and stuff, and I asked about the wiring. He demonstrated some of it, and I said is that PTP. He quite firmly replied no and explained how frustrating it is to see 'bootweek' builders claming PTP when it's either turret board, eyelet board or something else. He showed me an example of a 'true' point-to-point' amp and then explained the differences.
There are only a few major builders using strict PTP wiring. One of the reasons why Matchless and Carr are so expensive is because they employ that technique a lot. I think Carr also operate using other techniques, but Matchless almost entirely use it. I think Bad Cat used to build with PTP wiring as well, I can't remember. I don't think they do any more, if they did. Either way, I don't think it makes much of a difference
Verellen does PtP on full custom builds as well, the 45w Class A amp I sold to skully is PtP (if I remember the pis correctly) and his Spaldo might be as well. If its a low parts count build (like those two amps that only have Vol / tone controls) I can see PtP being worth it, but IMO it makes the guts look like a rats nest pretty much no matter what you do. Nick's turret builds look a thousand times cleaner and easier to work on than ANY PtP build I've seen.
Yeah, even Carr amps are a bit of a mess to look at—not that tidiness is the most important thing.

But then again, PTP can be incredibly tidy (not a guitar amp):

Re: The Doom Room: ILF Edition
Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2014 3:26 pm
by new05002
Looks incredible but what a tech nightmare
Re: The Doom Room: ILF Edition
Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2014 3:31 pm
by doctorpoopenstein420
I'm know it's been covered, but any solid reverb suggestions? People are always talkin about the Ghost Echo, but just curious about anything else y'all are using.
Re: The Doom Room: ILF Edition
Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2014 3:32 pm
by Ancient Astronaught
new05002 wrote:Part of me says that is not a bad idea but unless I went full pcb it would still be a lot of work. I would only make the power supply and main board easier.
but full PCB....

Yes but you could make a modular system where you can pick the preamp section, the PI section and the power amp section you want. I know its almost unfathomable to go full PCB but if you were trying to break into a national market it would be the easiest way to do it.
AngryGoldfish wrote:Yeah, even Carr amps are a bit of a mess to look at—not that tidiness is the most important thing.

But then again, PTP can be incredibly tidy (not a guitar amp):

Like nick said that does look like a pain to work on, but thats definitely not the worst looking PtP I've seen. The inside of some of the Model T's i've seen are treacherous.
And damn that second amp looks insane. I'm guessing its pro audio and probably a 5 or 6 figure price tag.
Re: The Doom Room: ILF Edition
Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2014 3:33 pm
by new05002
PCB mount pots and sockets are like blasphemy thats all
but a pcb main board would cut down some time for sure
Re: The Doom Room: ILF Edition
Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2014 3:36 pm
by Ancient Astronaught
new05002 wrote:PCB mount pots and sockets are like blasphemy thats all
but a pcb main board would cut down some time for sure
You could design and market pot harness that just slide on to the pot and are three wires then have a socket on the other end to plug it into.

Then they are not PCB mounted and are actually less susceptible to shock and movement.
I do gotta agree that tube sockets that are pcb mounted would be an absolute nightmare, as they always are. But then again maybe you could make unique harnesses for them as well.

Re: The Doom Room: ILF Edition
Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2014 3:36 pm
by celticelk
doctorpoopenstein420 wrote:I'm know it's been covered, but any solid reverb suggestions? People are always talkin about the Ghost Echo, but just curious about anything else y'all are using.
How much reverb do you want? I love my Eventide Space, but if you're not a full-on ambience freak it might be a bit much (complexity, size, and price-wise). I generally hear good things about the Supernatural, the Supermoon, and the HoF.
Re: The Doom Room: ILF Edition
Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2014 3:42 pm
by AngryGoldfish
So the most 'Doom' thing happened to me just now. I was making dinner and had the music on my PC up full in the other room. I was listening to Kowloon Walled City. But suddenly I heard a crash from in the other room. Upon inspection I realised that the vibrations of the music had pushed my mouse of the desk, a mouse I absolutely love and have had for years. It is now broken. Doom broke my favourite mouse.
doctorpoopenstein420 wrote:I'm know it's been covered, but any solid reverb suggestions? People are always talkin about the Ghost Echo, but just curious about anything else y'all are using.
Subdecay Spring Theory, Malekko Spring Chicken, Red Panda Context, Boss RV-3, Eventide Space/H9, Strymon Flint or BigSky, Blackout Effectors Cadavernous, Digitech RV-7, Dr. Scientist Mini-Reverberator, EQD Dispatch Master, EHX Holy Grail, Mr. Black Eterna/Supermoon/Deluxe Plus, TC Electronic Hall of Fame, all reverbs I would use/trust/am using.
What kind of sound do you want?
Re: The Doom Room: ILF Edition
Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2014 3:44 pm
by new05002
im such a grump but yea a pcb board for the components would make life a bunch easier. No more fabbing the turret board ect
Re: The Doom Room: ILF Edition
Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2014 3:45 pm
by doctorpoopenstein420
celticelk wrote:doctorpoopenstein420 wrote:I'm know it's been covered, but any solid reverb suggestions? People are always talkin about the Ghost Echo, but just curious about anything else y'all are using.
How much reverb do you want? I love my Eventide Space, but if you're not a full-on ambience freak it might be a bit much (complexity, size, and price-wise). I generally hear good things about the Supernatural, the Supermoon, and the HoF.
I suppose something fairly simple, something subtle that i could use always on, but the capability for real fucking spacey ambient shit every now and then would be lovely. Definitely looking for something relatively inexpensive.
Re: The Doom Room: ILF Edition
Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2014 3:46 pm
by pelliott
Might have a bead on an 80s Butcher

Re: The Doom Room: ILF Edition
Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2014 3:48 pm
by Ancient Astronaught
doctorpoopenstein420 wrote:celticelk wrote:doctorpoopenstein420 wrote:I'm know it's been covered, but any solid reverb suggestions? People are always talkin about the Ghost Echo, but just curious about anything else y'all are using.
How much reverb do you want? I love my Eventide Space, but if you're not a full-on ambience freak it might be a bit much (complexity, size, and price-wise). I generally hear good things about the Supernatural, the Supermoon, and the HoF.
I suppose something fairly simple, something subtle that i could use always on, but the capability for real fucking spacey ambient shit every now and then would be lovely. Definitely looking for something relatively inexpensive.
Hall of Fame, you have multiple reverbs and a toneprint you could make into either one of those verbs if one of the preset types is incapable of doing it.