Can I sport a whale-tail when playin' guitar?

[qersty]

You wot mate?

The bass is super audible on that!

I just looked at the neck and it's probably audible but my brian doesn't recognize it as bass
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6HJF9fg0u-M[/youtube]

[coldbrightsunlight]

yeah, the whole compulsory bass DI into PA thing needs to die. get some decent amps in, and the club won't need those fucking subwoofers under the stage.

I think a balance of both is good and I totally get why sound people want it to work with. And sometimes DI bass helps get that low end across better than amps! But yeah this particular example has just made it weak and lifeless.

[qersty]

IMO ideally a great bass amp should be the same as running DI into the PA, you would need some tubey preamp or a slaved tube head but I get off on having a full range PA as my bass output section. This do require great care in balancing tweeters and midranges to avoid death by fizz (cause who plays bass clean?). I get this is the never the case cause sound techs aren't drugged up tech-artists anymore, just rejects who are told not to play rock music at rock volumes.

I mean would you pick 30000 watts of crown or a puny SVT? Back in the golden age of bass amps theyessentialy just had a PA for the band and a PA for the bass. Why not streamline?

[goroth]

I see your point.

I'm just obsessed with Colin Marston's tone. Here's his rig:
"Bass –> tuner –> Morely Distortion –> Sovtek Big Muff (barely used) –> Boss PS3 (pitchshifter/delay) at the output of the PS3 is where the signal is split:

Half 1: straight to the SVT –> Eden XLT410

Half 2: Boss Metal Zone –> Boss DD5 delay –> Roland Jazz Chorus 120

The only pedal I use all the time is the Morley Distortion. The bass is never clean (save one part on the last Dysrhythmia album and one part on the Guts record). The PS3 is basically only used to split to the two amps, but i do use it for delay and detune very occasionally. The primary effects I use are just the Metal Zone and Boss delay that only go to the JC120. And I only use them maybe 30% of the time. "

It's got everything soundwise - clonk and zing and clarity and fattness and articularation and smashing distortion. Love it.

[dubkitty]

i'm so old school i don't even think 10" speakers are acceptable for bass. 15s or fuck off. i care a lot less about what the punters can hear than what i can hear. 15s with no DI was the approach on approximately everything i love that came out before DI was a thing for bass. mics into the board? absolutely. DI? hell to the no. yeah, it's simple, but it doesn't sound right. IMO your stage volume should equal the PA output or come as close as possible. you and the amp should define your sound, not the PA.

i also hate pickups on acoustic guitars. SM58s on booms were good enough for CSNY; they're good enough for you, too. and your guitar will actually sound like an acoustic guitar.

[coldbrightsunlight]

I agree on acoustic pickups but I think DI bass can sound great particularly when it's mixed with an amp. Do I prefer having a big amp blasting me with tone, absolutely. But the results from DI can be acceptable sometimes. As for speakers, I like a 15 too but 10s can sound great, I have seen enough people rock fridges and sound fantastic hahaha

[qersty]

If I were to go out and buy a bass speaker today I would chose the 10s over the 15s. Almost all 15" cabs today are too tiny and just house the speaker, no porting to project all the low end. My personal favourite is 12s in small cabs they sound good but arent loud enough. Though mesa had a 412 that were sectioned and ported for every transducer

[Dr Tony Balls]

I am in the old bass strings club. They just sound and feel good.

That's why flats are chill. They sound like old rounds but for the entirety of their life.

[dubkitty]

i know what you mean; i assume that when i do the bass rig that i'll have to look for a used cab. this is also problematic for 1x12" guitar cabs, many of which are just a cube a few inches larger than the speaker cutout and sound much less delightful than a decent openback/convertible 2x12" like the ones Lopoline used to sell before they were absorbed into Mojo cabs. but a decent 2x12" cab is well over $200, so i'm stuck with cubes until i can have two of the same speaker in the house.

[dubkitty]

i want to get a short-scale bass to use with roundwounds, but can get a pretty zippy tone on the fretless Jazz Bass by turning the front pickup down and using a heavy pick.

[coldbrightsunlight]

I am in the old bass strings club. They just sound and feel good.

That's why flats are chill. They sound like old rounds but for the entirety of their life.

Oh yeah. As I think I said above I always have flats on something. Haha. But sooometimes flats can feel a little hard on the fingers for me, when I've got a gauge with decent tension. Depends on the instrument I've got tapewounds on my fretless atm and I love the sound and feel, hilariously easy to play. Might try some out on a fretted bass some time...

[qersty]

I always felt flats have a better fundamental than equivalent rounds, this is probably cause I play pretty heavy ones. It is not really the same sound but it's the same sound. Def like the feel better than old rounds

i know what you mean; i assume that when i do the bass rig that i'll have to look for a used cab. this is also problematic for 1x12" guitar cabs, many of which are just a cube a few inches larger than the speaker cutout and sound much less delightful than a decent openback/convertible 2x12" like the ones Lopoline used to sell before they were absorbed into Mojo cabs. but a decent 2x12" cab is well over $200, so i'm stuck with cubes until i can have two of the same speaker in the house.

Yeah! I think nobody is putting that much acoustic design (or un-design?) in consideration when building cabs these days

[qersty]

Apparently I had ordered a set of .007s? (plain G lol) I have no recollection of wanting these. I dont even have a guitar to put them on. they are all tiny!

[coldbrightsunlight]

I always felt flats have a better fundamental than equivalent rounds, this is probably cause I play pretty heavy ones. It is not really the same sound but it's the same sound. Def like the feel better than old rounds

Yeah agree on same but not same - fundamental is definitely bigger with flats / some mids are missing which makes it SOUND like there's more, idk. I kinda prefer the feel of old rounds. Just a used to them thing I'm sure haha. I do also like flats but I'm never sure I like the feel quite as much. That said it's been forever since my jazz had flats on it (see >decade old rounds )These tapewounds though I definitely do. Different sound again though.

Apparently I had ordered a set of .007s? (plain G lol) I have no recollection of wanting these. I dont even have a guitar to put them on. they are all tiny!

very tiny! I sometimes think it would be fun to try one of these gauges although I doubt I'd like it and I'd probably break them...

[dubkitty]

after i get a second bass i'll try tapewound on the Jazz Bass, to get closer to the tone of an acoustic bass.